Friday, June 28, 2019

Stigma to Community College


Stigma is Due to Failure, Not Success.
(And what to do about it.)

Two lifetimes ago, right out of high school, I moved out of my parents’ house and enrolled in a tier-two state university but I did not have the maturity and other characteristics to succeed. The same thing happened the next semester when I gave it less than the old college try at my local community college, which was just a few miles down the road from my parents’ house (which I moved back in to). At no point did I think community college was a step down. I simply enrolled because of proximity. I could walk, ride my bike, or take the bus if I was feeling particularly lazy.  

I knew coming out of high school I had no skills any employers were looking for. Growing up I religiously watched the Wild, Wild West and Batman and so I had always wanted a career in federal law enforcement or national security. I started to fill out applications for the Secret Service, only to stop when I got to the part when they wanted to know what my Bachelor’s degree was in and where I was awarded that degree.

And so, I turned to the Army for a myriad of reasons, one being that I was able to get a job in military intelligence and another being that part of the GI Bill that would help pay for college. 11 years after failing two different types of higher education I returned to that same community college.

Now, the University of Washington was a 20-minute bus ride across the Evergreen Point Floating bridge and a bus pass was included with the tuition. But even closer was the community college. Ultimately, I wanted to earn a BA in History from the University of Washington then go on to earn a Master’s degree in something yet to be determined. I was playing with the idea of medieval history.

I was not a math major but I did realize that if I went to the community college first and then tried to gain entrance to the UW as a Junior, I would have a more difficult time gaining entry then if I tried to start as a freshman. I was not sure how many students were admitted as Freshmen, but I knew that the number admitted as Juniors were dependent on the number of those first and second year students who dropped out. So, if the university had room for 5,000 Freshmen but only 1,000 dropped by year three, the school would only admit 1,000 as Juniors. Therefore, I would have a better chance of being accepted into the state’s flagship, tier one research institution by trying to gain admittance as a Freshman.

On the other hand, the finances were limited. The GI Bill I was under was not as generous as earlier or current GI Bills when it came to education. Furthermore, I seriously questioned my ability to succeed. I was 0-2. Granted that was 11 years earlier, but still I asked myself if I had what it took to succeed and if I did not, I wanted to discover that as inexpensively as possible, thus I elected to enroll in the community college.

I never felt that I was doing myself a disservice. That I was somehow cheating myself out of two years of a flagship experience. Those ideas never crossed my mind. What did cross my mind was the messy, financially and emotionally draining divorce I was going through. That community college had counselors. That’s what they called them Counselors. They were actually psychologists. The college had psychologists available for students. Talk about a benefit that I needed. Between my experiences in the Army and the divorce, I needed help. I guess most students were squared away emotionally because I was able to see the psychologist twice a week, every week.

Then on a whim I ran for a position on the student government. I was unsuccessful, but the person who did become the president hired me to be the student liaison to Olympia -the state capital, on issues pertaining to community colleges. So once a week I drove to Olympia where I met with state representatives and discussed legislation that was in the pipeline as well as the needs of community college students.

This was during the Clinton administration and so the Pell Grant and Work-Study were both well-funded. I got a job working for the head of the theater department, designing sets and learning about lighting and working a sound board. I even wrote a one-man play about the first hour I realized I was going through a divorce.

I never had any doubts about the quality of the instructors. Never wondered if they had “only” a master’s degree. Their lectures were captivating. They were interesting story tellers. No multimedia. No PowerPoint with embedded video. Just well-told stories. I did not have to take any math classes and I only had to take one science and one English class. Every other class was a History class. How that happened is a story for another time. I developed close friendships with several faculty members. I was 29 after all. 

First class was 7AM, and once cases were over (I think by 11), there was the Work-Study, clubs, organizations, trips to Olympia and those visits to the counselors. So much to do. Such a vibrant campus! Nothing about my community experience said second rate, the high school with ash trays, or the 13th grade. 

Not only did I succeed, I excelled. I finished my AA in just one calendar year and I was successful in being admitted into the state’s tier one research institution as a Junior. You know what’s interesting? Nobody ever asked me “Where did you graduate from high school?” or “Did you go to a community college before coming here?” That stuff was not important.

Nowhere on my schedule did it say “former community college student.” We were not segregated in the government documents room of Suzzallo Library, or a special section at Husky Stadium or at Starbucks. I never had a professor ask about my academic past. At the community college I took three types of anthropology classes with a wonderful professor. One day at the University of Washington I ran into him, because he was teaching there as well and that’s when I was introduced to this thing called “adjuncts.” I think that’s the real stigma in higher education, but that’s a different essay.

I hung out with fellow veterans at my community college. One went to law school, another history major went to medical school, and one got a degree in plasma physics. I do not know what that is.

I would not trade my time at the community college for the university. The time to obtain my AA provided me to with so much opportunity for growth in so many aspects of my life. Opportunities that just did not exist at the University of Washington with a student population of 75,000.  

I do not see, hear, smell, taste, or feel a stigma about going to community college. Of course, I could be deaf and blind to the trolls because I chose to become part of the system that educates the vast majority of Americans (and quite a bit of international students, too)!

I knew I wanted to teach, but I was unsure as to which level. But shortly after I began attending that community college, meeting up with other veterans for coffee before our 7am classes, with all of the enrichment programs, personal assistance programs, and wealth of success stories I heard from the faculty, I decided that I wanted to teach at a community college. I am exactly where I wanted to be because I attended a community college.

I think any stigma associated with community colleges is not in completion, in having that degree on your cv along with the other degrees, certifications, and accomplishments. I think the stigma is because so many students do not succeed and thus community colleges get branded as institutions that are unsuccessful in their mission of educating people. I think that people do not realize that community colleges are open enrollment institutions, and they do not realize that many state universities are also open enrollment. We are low hanging fruit. And so, the stigma is not on the successful students, such as myself now but on myself in 1982. Community colleges are the dumping ground for the ill prepared to succeed (me in 1982) is maybe the perception? Is that the stigma?

If so, then I would invite you to attend a graduation ceremony in May and then a few years later when they graduate with their BA and BS degrees.

The bar is low to gain admittance into an open enrollment institution: does the check clear? If so, you’re in! But the passion, excitement, and tenacity that I experienced as a student at my community college in 1994-1995 are the same as I see among my colleagues today. Some major differences are that we have a better understanding of content delivery, learning and assessment.

So, how do we tackle the stigma of the community college student who fails? We need to address the reasons for failure, which are many to include a lack of soft skills (maturity, dedication, perseverance, resiliency and grit), a lack of proper nutrition, the ability to pay for the insanely rising cost of books. We cannot say that a percentage of students simply lack the intellectual abilities to succeed in college. 

Life is too complex for the single villain theory. Rather we need to address the holistic reasons for failure. Double the Pell Grant. Bring back Work-Study for everyone. Ensure that students have the choice of taking OER classes over for-profit book classes. Open up food pantries, or even better open a cafeteria that serves at least one hot square to every student each day. A sliding scale day care so more people can afford to attend college. There is much we can do to address the stigma that people do not have what it takes to succeed at community colleges and maybe that community colleges are not doing enough to meet the needs of their unique student populations.

Justice Louis Brandeis said something like “Sunlight is said to be the best disinfectant.” In other words, let’s identify why these stigmas exist, then tackle them in a public and aggressive manner until the realization exists that community colleges are your most bang for your buck, you’ll get more personalized and individualized care and attention, and those community college professors are just as accomplished as those at your local university.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!




26 comments:

  1. Courtney Girgin: Hist-1301

    Life choices shape who we are. Because of the mistakes you made, you worked even harder to accomplish what needed to be done. Many students are not prepared for the difficult task of succeeding, because most of our life we are spoon fed. Once we graduate from high school, we are thrown out into the water to learn ourselves if we swim or drown. I to have a similar experience. When I graduated from high school, I went straight into college. I never had an idea on what I wanted to be or what to do with my life. I just wanted to push myself into college because no one in my family graduated from college. I was working forty hours a week in graveyard shift, then directly going to school after work and falling asleep in all my classes. I never studied or cared to. I never had to do it in high school and passed easily as a B-student. I flunked heavily. I gave up. Now, eight years later, I am doing it because I have a different mental structure. I have seen life and do not want the same life for my child. I think schools should be more realistic on preparing students for the future.

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    1. Courtney Girgin I agree with you that many students really aren't prepared for college because sometimes they have not matured yet. And well it's also true that in high school we are just there to fill a seat and we get passed because they have to pass us, but that does not help students prepare for college. In high school they gave us so many opportunities to make up work, but none of that was helpful because when we enter high school it's different and everything is either you have the work and you've done it and you pass or you don't have the work and you fail.

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  2. Yes, a degree from, let’s say Harvard, may open doors for some, but those select few have the monetary means to back up that tuition. Unfortunately, some high school students -- and their parents -- see community colleges as second class. And some of the negativity about community colleges begins to seep in to the impressionable mind of a freshly harvested adult. Then there is the public perception contributing it’s mix of snobbery and ignorance. However, I also propose that many equally capable people never apply to a selective school for any number of reasons. One of the main reasons is cost prohibition. You can only hear so many older friends and family members discussing the dreaded “student loan debt” before it scares one out of evening applying. But then like so many before them (I, myself being one), are ill advised on the many options available to them, Pell Grants, various scholarships and most community colleges employment opportunities that assist with Tuition. Another one of the most important reasons that community colleges are stigmatized is that it is believed that educationally, you won’t be accepted into “upper-class” status quo. That is, for the most part nonsense.

    People who go to community colleges for vocational training/certification are deemed to have received the lowest level of education where you can earn a college degree, because they didn’t continue to then people assume that since you go to a community college, you don't actually care about your education . Let’s be honest, a bachelor’s degree is no guarantee of some type of outstanding high paying career.

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  3. During my last year of high school I would hear many students talking about how they had applied to many university’s and how they had to write essays to show that they were qualified to attend that specific university. Since freshman year there would be teachers that asked you what you wanted to be when you grow up. There would even be conferences where they would have all the upper grades sit down and listen to an influential speaker talk to us about the importance of knowing your career choice for the future. I myself spent all high school trying to discover what I really wanted to study so I didn’t spend much time looking into universities. Until finally senior year came and I had no idea of where I was going to attend after high school and that made me feel like I wasn’t responsible enough to look into big university’s like the other students where. I started to be scared of what it would be if I did meet the deadlines of applications to different university’s and all the scholarships that would help pay off the tuition. I was indecisive If I wanted to attend a community college or an university, I didn’t want to be seen as a person who wasn’t smart enough to go straight to an university and instead attended college. One day I remember having a conversation with my librarian and she asked if I had applied to any university’s, I then said I hadn’t. She then followed up saying that she really believes that it’s a better choice to attend a community college and complete the basics there and later just transfer to a university of choice. She said not only will it save you money but it will allow you to really think about your future. After having that conversation with her I realize that it didn’t matter if I attended a community college all that mattered was that I was going to keep achieving the goal of someday becoming successful. I am in my second year in college and I have had so many wonderful teachers that I know are just as good as the teachers at a university. Not only am I saving money while completing my basics and pre-requisites but I am also learning from so many other students who believe community college was a good choice. I don’t regret my decision of coming to HCC and I know I will be successful with the many things I’m learning. Community college was the best decision I made after finishing high-school.

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  4. For me the thought of attending college or a university was a definite pass because I did not see myself as intellectually capable of doing well outside of high school. Although when I started high school I did not want to attend college because I knew I would fail, but getting closer to my senior year made me change my mind. I was growing and maturing and knew I would need an education if I wanted to help support my mom that cleans houses for a living. I saw her struggling all the time as a single mom, but no matter how tired she was she always did her best for my siblings and I. And because of my mom and her support I attend college because I want to give her my best just as she has throughout my entire life. Thus when I get my career as an educator I have promised myself to support her financially.

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  5. During my senior year of high school, I realized that many of my friends were stressing about picking what university to attend. Most sent applications to big universities such as: UT & A&M knowing they couldn’t afford it, making their parents take out loans. But why? I asked one of them that was attending UH and she clearly told me that if her parents wouldn’t approve of her attending UH, she would not attend school anymore. That she was not going to attend a community college. Later, I found out that she was attending UH just so she can say that she goes there. Attending a community college has been one of the best decisions I have ever made, I am taking the same classes my friends are taking for a cheaper price. They enjoy telling others that they attend these big universities, but only they know what they have to sacrifice to pay those fees. It does not matter where you attend school, if you are good what you do you will have good opportunities come to you.

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  6. As soon as I graduated high school, I moved out of my mother’s house, came to Houston and enrolled at HCC. At the beginning of my college years, I was not taking anything serious. I made a lot of mistakes, I was quite naive, and I believed could handle anything on my own; I was highly mistaken. I failed a few classes and ended on the SLIP program due to my lack of discipline and motivation. As Tom Bondett said; “In school, you're taught a lesson and then given a test. In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson.” After failing and not following the traditional 4 year program to graduate, I learned that my ignorance and lack of enthusiasm was not going to take me anywhere. All my failures made me mature and I soon started to improve myself. I began developing skills that I needed to succeed: academically and personal. I believe that it does not matter what school you attend; the only thing that truly matters is the way you raise yourself to the top: having the right connections, good people skills, grit, kindness, and enthusiasm. These important foundational blocks can take you to places you never imagined.

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  7. Throughout my senior year I stressed out so much about choosing what colleges to apply to and which ones would be more affordable because we were required to apply to at least 10 colleges. Attending a community college never came across my mind because I was told that a 4 year institution had a higher percentage rate of graduates. I had a tough year because for each school I had to submit verification worksheets in order for me to get the award letters. After all that paper work I was dissapointed because none of the colleges offered enough money that my parents were capable of paying; it was nothing but loans I came to a point were I gave up and had so many negatively about attending college. I started thinking about my post-secondary path with was the Military I initially begin researching about the US Navy, until I reached out to a recruiter and gave me information it convinced me to the point where I took all the tests that were required and I passed them with good grade meaning a better job opportunity. The bad thing was my parents weren't okay with it so that option had to go away. This were it all came from I really wanted to make myself happy and my parents so I wanted an education and HCC was the best way, so I struggled a lot because I left it all at the end. I really didn't wanted to attend there because I felt embarrassed each time someone would ask me because they believed it was for people who aren't smart. Little did I know that I had made the best decision because it was so much cheaper for the same education at any 4 year institution. Now I am in no debt like a couple of my friends that are stressing over taking out loans just because they wanted to show off to others while only the name of the institution changes other than that they are receiving the same education as HCC but with a greater cost. I really shouldn't be ashamed of where i am attending and to not ever let other people guide me through whats "best" because look at me now I am enjoying HCC at the fullest with no payments. I would never regret this because I know later on it will help me out.

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  8. When I was a senior in high school, the thought of attending a community college had never crossed my mind. Most of the top people in my class admired out-of-state colleges which they eventually attended, but I decided to go to Texas A&M University. After a semester there, I’ve transferred to HCC because it was more affordable there. During my time at HCC, I’ve learned that the stigma behind community college is partly true. Some professors tend to go easy on their students—they’re not strict graders and their exams aren’t quite challenging. Besides the science classes I took at HCC, the classes here are equivalent to that of a high school. The learning is just not enough to prepare students for the university life in my opinion. However, most of the professors teach well and are attentive to their students’ needs. The small classrooms make learning more efficient, and the teacher-student interactions are beneficial for those who have lots of questions. Community college is the perfect opportunity for people to get a second chance in life which is why it is important that it gets the attention and resources it deserves to increase student retention. Also, I believe that a degree from any educational institution is worth something, and employers should respect the efforts of people who have attended a community college.

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    1. I agree, I wanted to attend a university because others in my class were but i wasn't prepared to go out of state and leave home. I attend HCC as well and it was the best choice for me. I take online class which are very beneficial.

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    2. I too wanted to attend a 4 year university. I attended a highschool that was medically focused and prepared students for the rigorous college courses. It was an environment in which everyone was competing constantly and students are constantly trying to prove their worth in how many AP courses they were taking or who had the lesser number hours of sleep. There was a constant need to prove one's self worth and that means striving to be the very best. With students like these, it was common to look down on community college because it was a constant stigma that if you couldn't attend a four year college then you weren't good enough to compete. But as my senior year was coming to an end, I didn't know how I was going to move forward. The plan was to attend a 4 year university but financially it was not a smart decision. I had to make the decision to overlook other people's opinions and learn about community college myself. The more I did, the more I realized just how convenient it is for me. There is no reason community college should be looked down upon, it's meant to provide students opportunities to fulfill their want of an education at a reasonable price so that we can successfully make a living. There are so many good things that come out of attending a community college, we just have to surpass the criticism and realize how this form of education satisfies our own needs to succeed.

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  9. I started out at my local community college. Besides the cost (about 3x less than the university), I needed smaller classes, more help both inside and outside of the classroom, access to more resources. More opportunities to work closely with the professors in my major or so I thought. I was on work-study and I got a job with the chair of the theater department -making scenery, lighting the performance, manning the sound board. Stuff I never did before. It was a blast. Anyhow, I got so much out my time at my community college that I decided that I wanted to work at a community college. Community college was a great fit for me as a student and a great fit as a professor.

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  11. As my senior finally approached, I was still indecisive on what college to attend and choosing between two majors. I wanted to attend a university but I didn’t know where to start such as what to look for in a university other than my major or something that would catch my eye on why I choose to attend there. Also, I was scared to leave home and attend a university that’s far away. I was not only worried about being homesick but how I would adjust to being alone. When I graduated, I decided to take a year off of school because I was still undecided about my major. When I graduated in 2018, I was 17 years old so therefore when I start college the following year I would still graduate in my early 20’s. Throughout time, I chose my major but I decided to attend Houston Community College as it was close to home. I started HCC during the summer & this is my first fall term. So far I am enjoying HCC and the opportunity to take online classes. Although a community college is a not university, I do advise others to take advantage of attending a community college first, then a university. Those who are attending a university have complained of failing classes and missing home. Community college is very beneficial as it prepares you for a university or whatever your path may be in the future.

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  12. While being a senior in high school, I was filled with trepidation of what my future had in store for me. I was active in high school and received a few recognitions for participating in sports, academic clubs and theatre. I applied to a few colleges and wrote many essays hoping that they would help increase my chances of getting accepted. A few months go by and my parents surprised me with an email they received from Texas A&M at Corpus Christi, my first choice of school. It was my first choice because the campus was located on an island surrounded by gorgeous water, my favorite school is Texas A&M, and because I planned to try out for the softball team. I had an accident while playing softball in high school which resulted in my permanent bench spot for the rest of my high school career. In turn I lost my opportunity to win a scholarship in the sport.
    A month before I moved for college my parents told me I was going to Blinn College instead because tuition was cheaper, and it was closer to home. I was disappointed but I was still determined to receive my degree. I enrolled in 5 classes, two on Monday and Wednesday and three on Tuesday and Thursday. Made the unfortunate decision of booking my first class at 8 a.m. and the next consecutive to the prior. While spending the first three months living off ramen and boxed mac and cheese, I decided it was time to get a job, my first job. My parents were against it at first but soon they accepted the idea. I had no experience in any job besides babysitting, so a friend helped me secure a job at Michael Kors in my hometown. I would drive down to Katy to work on Thursday after class, Friday, Saturday and Sunday after my shift I would drive back to College Station.
    I had to take a year break after my fall semester as a sophomore due to medical reasons and that was when I decided to transfer to HCC and take online classes. At first, I was nervous about online learning, but it is not much different that in person learning. I can now divide my time more evenly for school, family and friends, and work. With a little bit of extra time I have for not driving to campus, sitting in class, and driving home, I am able to fully pay for college out of pocket without taking more loans. Online learning has really helped paved my way to success and soon I will receive my degree without being in a huge amount of debt.

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  13. I feel like there should not be a difference in the way that we are perceives as just because we go to a community college. Just like you mentioned that you did not notice that you were looked at differently. I would like to mention that I feel the same. We are treated the same way as a regular college student. Most of us are going to community college because it's cheaper and that is totally fine since most people have financial troubles. I feel like community college is a wonderful thing because it provides a cheaper alternative compared to college. It also provides a similar experience as going to high school because the classrooms are small, and you can ask questions during class. Compared to a university there might be to many students in your class so the professors might not allow you to ask questions and he might not have time to help each student with their problems in class. Overall, it's a great opportunity for upcoming high school graduates.

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  14. You are absolutely correct! I feel community colleges often do get looked down on due to the low graduation rates and success of students. It is important to point out all the positives in a community college setting. For example, community college is more personalized to the student. Most classes do not exceed over 40 students, making it easier for students to have access to their professor. Another benefit of community college is the price! No four-year universities compete with the prices of education at a CC. Making it more affordable to your every day person. There are a lot of opportunities and options when going to a community college. No one should look down on getting an education, and I highly condone community colleges nationwide. Regardless if it is your first year or you are continuing education, community colleges also provide many different programs. Most of these programs are also affiliates with different companies that will hire freshly graduated candidates. Making it even easier to get into your career as soon as you are done with your education.

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  15. Growing up in an immigrant household with a lower middle class income, you are encouraged from birth to study hard, be athletic, and strive to get into the best colleges out there. But the reality of it all is sometimes the “best” college isn't always the best choice. and doesn't always mean you can handle the burden of it all. When I graduated highschool I felt pressured to leave and go to a big university because that is all i've ever been told and all I saw with my friends around me, but the thing is, just like you said I myself was nowhere near ready mentally and financially. So last minute I decided to make the decision to attend Houston Community College so far this is honestly the best decision I have made because I have gotten to spend time on figuring out who I am and what I want to do without the peer pressure of many others. I also saved thousands of dollars on classes which no one seems to talk about whenever you go to a big university. It's always just about the hype of it all, no one thinks about long term and the aftermath when you graduate and having a bunch of student loans. Luckily for me I had a mother who encouraged me to stay home because she saw the benefit of it versus going straight to University unfortunately my father did not. He still to this day is anxious for me to go to a big university but has no idea how we will pay for it, just to be able to say his daughter goes here or there instead of looking at the bigger picture which should be “my daughter has a college degree!” . Although I got my opportunity to save money and grow as a person I have had friends who graduated early and went straight to largely populated universities before their time and are now dealing with the mental and financial burdens of it. Finding themselves indecisive about their Majors because they didn't get the time to figure out who they are and what they wanted to do, She now Regrets going straight to big university instead of staying home for two years. At the end of the day a degree is a degree and weather you didnt attend a big university for all for yours your degree will not say that, and should be given the same amount of respect no matter how big or small. Attending a community college does not mean you are any less smarter than kids who go to big universities in fact your just playing it smart to what fits your own personal agenda. Even some people imply that it is easier when in reality we just have smaller classes so we get the chance to interact and actually and get on name basis with our prof. There were moments of insecurity about attending community college but as of right now I'm extremely proud of myself for finishing off my years with a high GPA and no student loans and think a lot of people have caught on to this trick considering that Community College populations have increased.

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  16. Stigma to Community College

    Community colleges have come a long way in the American educational system. So far, a lot of students have graduated from the community college system and going from the success and quality of the skills the alumni learned and are using now in the workforce, it cannot be said that community college students have a stigma. I agree that stigma is as a result of the failure of some students, but this can be found even in Universities too.
    Curricula of community colleges have been designed to be competitive and coupled with the hiring of highly learned professors and instructors, the quality of education in community colleges has improved over the years and the quality of graduates from community colleges is also high and they can compete favorably in the job market.
    Though there still exist some problems such as tuition, education technologies to meet current technology demands in education and high rate of students’ dropout due to students’ private issues such as unpreparedness, family demand, work-study demand are some of the issues that community colleges and students face.
    However, an overall assessment of the performance of community colleges has shown a high level of attendance and performance both by professors and students.

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  17. Dr. Nazzal,

    I agree with your premise entirely. It is unfortunate that there is a stigma associated with attending a community college. Last semester was my first semester of college after separating from the Marine Corps in 2017. I attended Indiana University of South Bend. Although, none of my friends I served with knew anything at all about the institution, they expressed often the prestigious educational opportunities they believed would be afforded to me. Fast forward to this semester and those same friends have made a complete shift in their mentality in regard to me attending HCC. They have openly discredited community colleges as a whole based on a false narrative of low or poor standards, along with other reasons. They of course have chosen to attend major universities. I believe more than anything that most people attend major universities, and put themselves in massive amounts of unnecessary debt, all for the sake of an institutions name on their diploma and a feeling of self worth. The reality is, it doesn't matter. There are many benefits to attending a community college, most of which have already been discussed. For me, I enjoy the smaller classroom setting. It makes engaging with other students and the professors far easier, and in my opinion facilitates learning in a more efficient manner. Also, for many traditional students, community college is a way to test the waters. When I graduated high school, I lacked the maturity and discipline to attend a university and take my studies seriously. Community college allows students to get a feel for what college is really like, without the price tag. As community colleges constantly seek to improve their educational opportunities and student resources for success, I believe that in time, the stigma of attending a community college will become a thing of the past.

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  18. Hector Jovanny Barba

    Dr. Ross-Nazzal

    27Oct2019





    I personally believe the idea that community college being a lesser higher education experience comes from people that never experienced it. Professors are still going to have to meet qualifying standards to be admitted into a school so at the very least you know they have a strong understanding of the subject they are teaching. The stigma is more accurate and fairer when pointed at the students who see it as an easy way into school because they don’t know what else to strive for and thusly are uninterested and fail. The students who enroll to please their parents for a while or because they see all their friends going to school are obviously not going to be applying for ivy league schools since they aren’t fully invested in these decisions. I haven’t had a single complaint with my experience at a community college and have heard worse from friends in big name universities where you get no feedback to better yourself since the class settings are so large.

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  19. Stigma about community college is something I've personally struggled with. Before attending HCC I attended University of Houston. I took a couple of classes and got very low grades. This was because I was unaware of the many new struggles I would have to face.

    Being a first generation student I lacked knowledge of the discipline required to succeed in an academic environment and I was too ashamed to ask for help. This came from fear of being judged and misunderstood. I thought that wishful thinking would bring the solutions to my problems.

    I think it is very important to include introductory college courses, such as the one HCC provides, to help the preparation. Expectations begin to be reassessed and put in a more realistic light. Also fighting against negative outlooks towards community college. It is not less than any university just less exclusive.

    With this fight comes also being able to reach out for help. Having counselors on campus is a great resource that I have personally used and encourage many others to do the same. Passing the message that asking for help is more trivial than anything else. You can't learn if you don't admit you don't know.

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  20. In the first year of college, students always encounter the initial difficulty in adjusting to a new life according to the new study time, accommodation and other times at home. Many of us will feel strange because of the difference between the college environment and high school. It can be called a "cultural shock" when there are too many differences in learning and life. All issues from study to habits will have to be proactively adjusted and live according to the student lifestyles. The difficulty is that many students at the general level do not have access to economic and social knowledge. Just because of habit reversed, many students were unable to adapt to the new learning conditions, so they gave up and took a different path.
    However, I believed that we shouldn't be worried about this because after only a period of adaptation we will soon get used to new life and new changes. We must take the time to learn about our new life and thereby adapt to the changes to adjust ourselves accordingly. When we open up, we will see that the problem becomes much softer, we will find that the time of college is very interesting and we will also develop a lot of knowledge and skills when studying in college.


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  21. I will continue to stick with the term that college is not for everyone. Many students’ gets pass on during high school and do not really understand the work. I was one of them in my opinion. My high school did not have certified teachers or a curriculum to help us pass the SAT and ACT. I went to a University right after high school and immediately knew I was not ready or I was not properly prepared. College was a struggle for me. I completed four semesters before I decided to give up. It took me 12 years to realize that the only way I will make it is if I out my mind to and focus. Now here I am one class away from my Associates Degree.

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  22. I really felt like this article gave me a lot of information about how people view community college. Right now I am earning my associates degree in general studies from Houston Community College. If I ever need my bachelor’s I will be able to transfer in with my associates then. I didn’t know that there was a stigma about community college. I think just because everyone can get in doesn’t mean it is any less of an education than a normal college. You sound like you had a really good experience and received a great education at your community college, and you obviously are doing pretty well now as a community college teacher. Community colleges are good places to prepare people for either getting a degree from a “normal” college or get a degree for a little less of the cost of going to one of the normal schools. I just think that if there is a stigma, it would be because most are open enrollments, which as you say a lot of state universities also are so this is not an accurate reason to look down on community college students.

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  23. I never had a negative opinion about community college. I am just happy to be on my way to earning my Associate Degree. Before this semester, I got accepted to the University of Houston, and I registered for two classes, which totaled about $3000. I went back into the HCC system and registered for two classes, which cost not even half of the 2 courses at U of H. I was baffled because I never really saw the benefit of going to a university just for the name. I did well in my previous classes here at HCC and have never felt shortchanged in the amount of my learning. I have had a few memorable professors at HCC, and I think that I will be well equipped by the time I am done with the last few classes I need to take to finish my Associate.

    Success in any education is dependent on the student's discipline and determination not on where they go. Success after graduation is dependent on how a person is valued as an employee, and not because a top university is on their resume. Community college or university, the main goal is to educate oneself and become a functioning self-realizing human being.


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